Why Did Katniss Vote to Continue the Hunger Games
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Katniss votes 'yes, for Prim' for another Hunger Games to keep Coin's trust. Voting 'no' would have alerted Coin that she didn't have Katniss's support and given Katniss no opportunity to have justice for Prim's death.There's plenty of clues sprinkled throughout the narrative yet many readers come away with the impression that Katniss voted the way she did to take revenge on the Capitol.
Is this the reader's fault for not reading carefully enough? Or the author's for not making it a bit more obvious?
I see what you mean i read it a while ago, and didn't really catch on to the motive of it, but i see what you mean about paying closer attentionAlthough at the same time as an author you have to be anything but subtle with some things because it gives people the wrong idea about Katniss since the author never filled in.
Even if they reflected on it chapters later it would have been better then nothing
Anyways if you didn't pay enough attention (XD lol) i'd say it's a combo of both :)
I agree with Megan; it's a bit of both. My question, though, is, why did Haymitch vote yes, too? Especially confusing was the fact that Suzanne Collins wrote that it was time to see just how alike Haymitch and the Mockingjay were. That's a bit misleading... Maybe haymitch knew what she was going to do, even though it goes completely unmentionedOr her motives aren't what we think they are
Haymitch didn't actually vote yes. He simply said 'I'm with the Mockingjay.' He knew something was seriously bothering Katniss because she had come to ask for his advice. But his 'boy troubles' comment put her off.
So when he said 'I'm with the Mockingjay' it meant that he trusted that the Mockingjay (as the face of the rebellion) would do the right thing for the cause they had both fought for.
'Yes...for Prim' might also have alerted him since Prim wouldn't have wanted that. And neither would Katniss.
When Katniss says that it was time to see how alike she and Haymitch are it refers to fact that they need little information to know what the other is thinking. Like in the HG when Katniss saw the message attached by the gifts Haymitch did or didn't send.
Then Peeta twigged that Katniss and Haymitch were doing their silent communication thing and kept a careful watch at the execution just in case.
I don't think Haymitch knew what Katniss was going to do. I don't think Katniss did either only that without Coin's trust she'd be powerless to do anything. Then opportunity presented itself. My theory is that Plutarch and Paylor set it up. First, by allowing Katniss to see Snow. And then by seating Coin directly above Snow. It will interesting to see what the movie does with it.
I think the placement of coin and snow was planned that way by Suzanne Collins, because if she had to turn in much of a different direction to shoot coin it would have alerted people in the book as well as the readers and it wouldn't have been as shocking It has to make sense. You don't think it would be coincidence that of all places to sit Coin it's directly above Snow? It's actually the worst viewing spot to see Snow die. On the side or directly behind Katniss would be much better. In the time it takes to change direction and then take aim, Coin's body guards could have either shoved Coin out of the way or thrown themselves in front of her. But an upward movement of the bow could be done in a second.
And, from a psychological point of view, placing Katniss directly in front of both Coin and Snow closely aligns the two tyrants in front of her. One already beaten, the other still to be avenged upon. Plutarch and Paylor would have guessed what Snow told Katniss. And Plutarch, as Gamemaker, is a master at knowing how people react to a given situation.
The most likely person to organise the event would be Head Gamemaker Plutarch who benefited by Coin's demise. And not just Plutarch. Paylor as well. She as the new president. And Plutarch with his dream job as director of communications.
But I agree that SC couldn't reveal too much or the surprise would be spoiled. That was the dilemma, I think. How much to tell, how much to show, so that the surprise element was still there but enough revealed to allow the reader to work out why it happened.
Well when you put it that way, You've convinced me I say discussion closed i've chosen a view point, and i don't think there is much more to be discussed on this note. Unless someone opposes the idea? I think it's strengthened by the way in which Katniss is treated afterwards.Although Katniss is left in solitary confinement, it actually helps her case by keeping her in a depressed, uncommunicative state.
She assassinated a head of state. Granted, she gets off on an insanity plea but instead of incarceration in a mental institution, she's effectively freed. She goes home, psychiatric care is continued albeit long distance, someone to cook her meals is arranged, and she has the whole of District 12 to roam if she pleases. And the banishment is not a permanent arrangement - only until further notice.
Plutarch is star witness for her trial. And in good spirits when sharing a hovercraft with Katniss. Not too upset about Coin, is he? Something is fishy.
Looking for plot holes in my own theory is how could Plutarch have known that Coin would arrange a victors meeting to have a vote on whether another Hunger Games should be held and that Katniss would vote 'yes'? The answer is that he couldn't. On both counts.
Coin came up with a plan to test both Katniss's loyalty and whether she had any knowledge about her involvement in the bombing. And that test was how Katniss would vote in favor of another Hunger Games.
Plutarch's plan would have come undone if Katniss hadn't the wits to fool Coin with a yes vote. Because if she had voted 'no', Coin wouldn't have allowed herself to be directly in front of Katniss with a loaded bow in her hands.
So even if Katniss is manipulated by Plutarch to assassinate Coin, Katniss still maintains her agency in this by having the intelligence to stay one step ahead of Coin.
Plutarch relied on Katniss's knowledge of who was responsible for the bomb as enough motivation to kill Coin. But to kill Coin to prevent another tyrant governing Panem was wholly Katniss's idea.
Kristine wrote: "Katniss votes 'yes, for Prim' for another Hunger Games to keep Coin's trust. Voting 'no' would have alerted Coin that she didn't have Katniss's support and given Katniss no opportunity to have jus..." It's a reasonably small detail that does not lead the reader to misunderstand the overall plot should they not pick up on it
I disagree. If you've missed that, then you've also missed the meaning of Bogg's message about Katniss being a threat to Coin if she believes that she hasn't got Katniss's support. And if you've missed that, then you've missed why Coin would want to either kill or weaken her.
You've missed why Haymitch agrees with Katniss.
You've missed an important element on why Katniss kills Coin. ie. to prevent more HGs and another tyrant governing Panem.
You've missed an important aspect of Katniss's character. Many readers lose respect for her when
she does that.
You've missed a key reason why Peeta chooses to follow Katniss to District 12. A yes vote for another Hunger Games would otherwise have been against Peeta's principles.
YES!!!!!!I'M NOT CRAZY!!
Nobody gets it! Every other comment I´ve seen says she was bitter or she wanted revenge. THAT'S NOT KATNISS!!
Of course she didn't mean there should be another hunger games! And with capitol children for crying out loud!
Coin's suggestion was the last drop that made Katniss know she was a female version of Snow or even worse.
Of course she needed Coin's trust!
When she said "yes, for Prim" I even thought she was saying yes to one more time in the arena, one last game for her. Only this time, the arena is the capitol, and the tributes are Coin and herself.
I agree there should have been a bit more explanation about all this, nobody got it!
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